http://ourfuture.com.au/comment/index BangTheTable.com - Providing the community and government with a new way to engage in public policy debate http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/maintaining-existing-services Ferngal said "Council's Customer surveys ? Where and when did they take place? At the Council Chambers during Happy Hour? Nobody invited me. Please give us a real survey availabe to everyone not a chosen few. Something a little more straight forward unlike what you have done so far. People don't have time for make believe. Make it simple to reply. Rate Rise Yes? Rate Rise NO. I Say No Rate Rise. I pay 3 times the average house hold rates and have no free services. Little street lighting, no footpaths poor roads. Stop waisting rate payers money. " 2011-05-15 21:29:01 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/maintaining-existing-services derby said "Before asking for more how about cutting some of the subsidies given ie, the $600,000 a year to the Art/Entertainment centre. Perhaps if you were to put on more popular programs and Groups you would not have to subsidise so much." 2011-05-11 12:04:06 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/public-amenitytoilet-replacement derby said "Totally agree about Preferred contractors, having been in that position myself. All it do'es is cut competition and make life easier for the Staff doing the contract. Get out of the office and do your jobs !" 2011-05-11 11:51:56 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/public-amenitytoilet-replacement derby said "$130k for a toilet block, you have got to be joking. Fast tracking to 10yrs ! would'nt make much difference." 2011-05-11 11:46:14 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/litter-and-public-domain-maintenance derby said "The fast food outlets that are responsible for most of the litter of their own packaging should be responsible to clean it up within a certain distance of their premises. Also why cant we have the deposit scheme like S.A. to cover the cans and bottles ?. Get the Rangers / Parking inspectors to issue fines for littering " 2011-05-11 11:32:02 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/city-centre-improvements-for-penrith-and-st-marys derby said "Millions have already been wasted changing around Penrith CBD never got it right. Don't waste any more money on this, we have just had a Budget that is cutting spending and we are hurting enough as it is. The so called "speed reducing paving " installed in CBD is a joke, has no effect at all. " 2011-05-11 11:20:25 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/public-amenitytoilet-replacement Ryan said "Hi Clinton, I'm very interested in the point you have made on the cost for each block and I am trying to write a story for the local area which will hopefully be published in the paper. My e-mail address is ryan.diefenbach@gmail.com if you could please contact me with a return e-mail address so that I could hopefully get some more information on community reactions to this project and any other information or concerns with developments in the Penrith and Blue Mountains community. Thanks, Ryan. " 2011-05-04 12:13:04 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/city-centre-improvements-for-penrith-and-st-marys rango said "fix your roads they are in a disgusting state. and when drivers smash their wheels into your potholes have the decencey to pay up and look after your drivers and rate payers... " 2011-05-03 15:59:33 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/impact-on-the-parks-renewal-program Operational Plan Team said "The Special Rate Variation (SRV) proposed by Council is designed to ensure that existing assets and service levels are maintained. These assets include Parks, Buildings and Public Amenities/Toilets. In relation to Parks, if the SRV is granted the Parks Renewal Program will have $650,000 in 2011-2012 and $850,000 each year from 2012 onwards, to carry out much needed work on Parks. A list of the proposed works are provided in the "Proposed Parks Program 2011-2015 with SRV Granted" document which you can view or download from the Library to this website. What happens if the Special Rate Variation (SRV) is NOT granted? Only $250,000 would be available each year to carry out much needed parks maintenance. Instead of a 10 Year Parks Renewal Program with the SRV granted, it would be a 34 Year Program if the SRV is not granted. The impact of this can be seen in the "Reduced Parks Program for 2011-2015 – No SRV Granted" document which is also provided in the Library to this website. " 2011-05-02 14:53:00 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/city-centre-improvements-for-penrith-and-st-marys Hoping for a Healthy City said "How high a priority are these city centre improvements given the other demands on council? Are we cutting library books to get nice (but not yet necessary) new paving in the Penrith and St Marys CBDs? I've not quite understood why these projects are necessary." 2011-04-28 15:00:07 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/footpath-maintenance Hoping for a Healthy City said "Not a lot is being added to the footpath network this year - 1.39km. How much is this costing? There's only 4 footpaths (albeit longer ones) proposed this year. Surely we should be spending more to address the backlog in footpath construction. (I can think of many main roads that are lacking footpaths completely, and many roads that still only have a footpath on one side of the road when both sides need it). As for the repairs backlog - are the repairs from newer or older footpaths? Is this a consequence of the outsourcing of council's footpath construction program? And if it is, can something be done about it so that the footpaths are constructed properly in the first place?" 2011-04-28 14:57:45 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/council-is-proposing-12m-in-budget-reductions-next-year Hoping for a Healthy City said "While some of the reductions and savings seem worthy (eg employment advertising), I am not happy with Council cutting the immunisation service. Council provides a very good service, and it helps parents to have a specific time, date and place when immunisations can be done. It's very easy otherwise to forget. I am also unhappy with the proposed reduction to library resource funding. Libraries provide a valuable service - we don't all have enough money (or space) to buy all the books or DVDs we'd like to read and watch. No-one here has mentioned the cutting the mayoral car. In line with a sustainable city, maybe the mayor could car pool - or maybe there could be a mayoral bike instead. (Then we might have more attention placed on proper bike paths and footpaths!) And there's been no mention of cutting councillor junkets other than overseas visits. Or the alchohol available after council meetings and in the mayoral fridge and councillors room. That could save some money without taking books from children." 2011-04-28 14:51:53 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/maintaining-existing-services Operational Plan Team said "Thanks for your comment. Council has been doing a lot of work in the general St Marys area including biodiversity protection at places such as Ainsbury Rd and South Creek, developed the St Marys Corner Penrith Valley Cultural Precinct, upgraded the senior citizens centre kitchen, about to refurnish the St Marys Library, upgraded facilities at Allsop and Patterson ovals, significant landscaping works at Victoria Park, construction of a new playing field at Roper Rd, about to do a major refurbish Ripples Swimming Centre, lighting at South Creek BMX track and Cook Park Oval, about to replace the public toilet at Kokoda Park, lots of graffiti removal, constructed a safer pedestrian path to St Marys Shopping Centre, as well of course work on Coachmans Park and various footpath works among many other things. As St Marys and Nth St Marys are established suburbs, Council puts extra effort to make the community facilities and services to contemporary standards. We have a public meeting on the Operational Plan on 4 May at the Civic Centre from 7pm. It would be great if you could make it. " 2011-04-28 14:35:51 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/impact-on-the-parks-renewal-program Hoping for a Healthy City said "Jamison Little Athletics Centre would like to raise the issue of inadequate storage space for our equipment during the winter off season. This year we have had to pay for commercial storage space as members don't have room in their garages any more. We would like council to consider our needs as well. It is unclear how the projects that are being proposed for the next four years were prioritised and chosen. What projects were rejected because there was not enough money and they were not considered necessary or a high enough priority? And what projects aren't even on the list because organizations were not even asked what their needs were? (For the record, we have previously raised our concerns about inadequate off season storage space.)" 2011-04-28 14:16:15 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/impact-on-the-parks-renewal-program Hoping for a Healthy City said "Does council have a list of what won't get done if they don't get the special rate variation. This would assist residents and ratepayers in deciding whether or not to support the increase. Ie informed decisions would be made." 2011-04-28 13:59:04 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/litter-and-public-domain-maintenance fed up said "Living near a park I appreciate the need for cleanliness. Nothing worse than rubbish in a park. Yes we will always get the disrespectful idiot who decides to toss the rubbish on the ground rather than walk a few feet to a rubbish bin. I've seen it in takeaways, driving along the road and at picnic tables. Makes you wonder if these people have a brain. I don't think you will ever stamp it out but could I suggest that rather than remove the bins from the park where they used to be you put them back so those people who 'do the right thing' can keep doing it. Or is it that the public is finding out that those tin bins are really 'gold' and taking them home themselves to cater for their own extra rubbish needs " 2011-04-27 21:49:28 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/public-amenitytoilet-replacement fed up said "Yes I agree. Perhaps they could have a tender process for replacement and see if a bit more competition produces some more realistic pricing" 2011-04-27 21:34:41 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/footpath-maintenance fed up said "It appears that Footpath maintenance was not a major concern in the past if you have such a backlog that it exceeds $4 million currently. Trying to catch up in difficult times is poor planning. Is it a case that trees next to paths are the cause of the damage ? Perhaps we should be tackling the causes not continually repairing damage that is going to continue to happen at another point in the future anyway. " 2011-04-27 21:29:34 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/impact-on-the-parks-renewal-program fed up said "Do the Australian Standards only apply to play equipment.? If not please provide all the other examples of sporting field requirements ie: broken bitumen on netball court. I'm assuming that if the play equipment or fields are in such bad shape that they pose a risk to children playing on them then the equipment should be removed /fields closed down for repair. Repair what you can but if it requires replacing to the standard then put this 'on hold' as this is deemed a major project and as such a major cost. Obviously dangerous/faulty equipment needs to be removed but not necessarily replaced until a more financially convenient time is determined. I repeat - repairs can be done- renewals can wait. " 2011-04-27 21:19:42 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/maintaining-existing-services fed up said "Like to know what the breakdown of services is that amounts to the extra $1.3. Is this an estimate or is this a 'real' cost figure.? Perhaps you can provide a list to substantiate this. Obviously if the figure are true and accurate then it would need to be met. " 2011-04-27 20:54:37 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/litter-and-public-domain-maintenance Clinton said "Council need to crack down on people who litter and adopt a zero tolerance to this behavior perhaps actioning existing rangers to deal with these people then have these people placed on community service to clean the rubbish up. By council employing some one just to clean up after these disrespectful people only sends the message that we condone this behavior. We should adopt similar policy as other countries have when it comes to dealing with this problem. Council often spend our rate money on sending Councilors overseas on junkets to assess the socio ecconomics of other countries however we never seem to hold a firm line on this blatant disrespect for our community. Council could also work with the federal government and have our people on social security work for the dole instead of hitting up the rate payer for more funding. " 2011-04-27 19:02:25 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/neighbourhood-renewal Clinton said "Council continues to approve medium to high density development in many areas of its electorate where once council would only receive one lot of rates per annum where a single dwelling once stood. Now in many street of Penrith, Kingswood, Werrington and StMary's there are now 5-40 rates collected by council per annum for the same property. However citizens do not see any infrastructure projects such as widening of roads addition park land being developed to accommodated for the increase in population. Council charge developers high fees to upgrade infrastructure as part of the development application and now your seeking approval from the rate payers for an addition increase to fund these project. What has happened to the funding council has already charged developers for theses projects." 2011-04-27 18:33:36 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/city-centre-improvements-for-penrith-and-st-marys Clinton said ""If unsuccessful, the program of civic infrastructure improvements will not be implemented resulting in the loss of the catalyst to encourage economic growth and support new investment". What a joke this statement is can council please explain what the statement actually means? Could council provide for me the community surveys they have conducted to determine if the two areas council is referring to are what the public want. the area in Riley street council refers is a high pedestrian area to modify this area for the purpose of having community sit out on the pathways will only highten the risk of pedestrian safety. Then I suppose council will spend another 750K on reducing the speed limit that area. If council widens the the pathways in this area does this mean Riley street vehicle capacity will be reduced? Come on council our streets around the immediate CBD area can not cope now and is always congested it takes so long to get from one side of Penrith to the other lets practical." 2011-04-27 17:51:35 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/public-amenitytoilet-replacement Clinton said "How can the Council justify spending approximately 130K for each toilet block (2.4mil / 19 = 130K) I could construct an average house for the same cost. The latest new toilet blocks recently constructed at trench reserve are only constructed of colour bond steel I don't know what the 19 toilet block council make reference to are going to be constructed of but if they are anything like the toilet blocks at trench reserve then the cost would not even be close to 130k. It is high time that council spend a bit more time in getting quotes from reputable contractor instead of using their 'preferred contractors' who obviously rip the rate payer off which blow out costs all the time after getting the contract ( Penrith pools) is a classic example of the rate payer being ripped off. Come on council it is high time you are made more accountable for the rate money you collect from home owners and business'. " 2011-04-27 17:33:05 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/maintaining-existing-services Wary said "Once again, North St Marys overlooked. Exactly how much more work is needed at Coachman's park? Is this the token project for St Marys??" 2011-04-18 11:21:59 +1000 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride nican said "Honestly I believe this fits into the category of "desirable" rather than "necessary". In the past month, driving on the main roads of penrith I can count the number of cyclists on one hand. Do we really want to be spending a huge amount of money on something people may or may not use? I would much rather spend it on something the majority of the residents will benefit from. Besides, unless you are cycling to and from work, take your bike to a park." 2011-03-13 20:55:45 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Not convinced said "Johnnyb - do you remember the last Valuer Generals increase in property values and how much your rates increased with that rise. Let everyone know what extra services you received with the extra funds that went into council's coffers. Also take into account the extra rates gained by council when a single block is subdivided into 3 - 10 townhouses. Let everyone know your results. Have a look at some of the committees these councilors are on. Very few relate to services the council provide -how much do councilors get for attending committee meetings. Have alook at this Sister City Garbage that goes on - how many average rate payers are invited to go on one of these "tours"? Just remember councilors are employed by us rate payer, employed is the operative word! They serve this type of one sided rubbish up to their employers and think we are all fools. Do you sums on the increases council has receives over the last 5 years.Then have a look at the return we have received from our funds. " 2011-03-13 11:58:10 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Andy said "I now have to agree with this suggestion, given that I just received my power bill - up 53% from the last bill!!! Adjustment for summer period, it is still 30% higher, wonder what it is costing Council? Oh and doesn't the wastage identified above fly in the face of Council's sustainability policies? " 2011-03-12 11:33:08 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Andy said "After reading the renewal program attached to this topic, I really can't see the value in the proposed $2m pa works in achieving the espoused objectives. I believe most of the proposed expenditure is "desirable" rather than "necessary" and put simply Council is telling us that they don't have discretionary funds. I can't see new furniture, banners, paving etc exciting new businesses to the area and creating a "sense of place". Penrith being a member of the Place Leaders Association should know better. On this rationale, I am not supporting this section of the proposal. If council wants a cultural change in Penrith and St Marys, it will require billions of dollars in major investment and repositioning. That aint going to happen any time soon." 2011-03-12 11:27:31 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Andy said "why is it that most parks and play areas in Glenmore Park do not have any drinking water available?" 2011-03-12 11:17:18 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said "It changes every day, the flavour today is cut rates!!" 2011-03-12 11:12:40 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Johnnyb said "The quick poll actually indicates that the majority agree with either a part or full increase in rates with one third suggesting a cut in services." 2011-03-12 08:15:12 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Johnnyb said "I want services maintained and for Council to have the capacity to improve existing and develop new community infrastructure and facilities. The cost of catching up in five years time will be far greater to both the ratepaer and Council, less likely to happen and more likely to leave us with reduced services and insufficient or decaying community facilities." 2011-03-12 08:12:22 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Not convinced said "I'd like to see councils stay away from politics and do as they are told by the residents of Penrith. Councils are elected by the people to provide services to the people, not to dictate and put one sided pamphlets out that tells you nothing. If an election was held today, I think most councilors would be shown the door as politics seem to have taken over their thinking and priorities. I'd like to see councils do what they are there to do - provide a service for the community and maintain facilities. How much time and money is wasted on useless committies and study tours. What has Penrith gained from the recent junket to Asia? Start cutting costs by stopping phoney discussions like this. Be open and honest and tell your employers (rate payer) the truth or get out." 2011-03-11 21:12:49 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Not convinced said "cycleways and walkways should be mandatory for all new suburbs from the design stage. That should be funded by the state government. We pay taxes so that governments and council can supply facilities from day one. Good healthy lifestyles will be developed. Poor habits develop when new estates are released without any facilities as is the case now days." 2011-03-11 21:00:59 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Not convinced said "Population density has been increasing in the Penrith area for sometime now. Do we seen any extra playing fields and parks put in to cater for the extra population? No. Does the council charge rates to all the extra houses now sharing the one block? YES. So where has all the extra funds gone? Think about it?" 2011-03-11 20:49:52 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Not convinced said "Good on you Noel - put correctly. This is just an exercise in fruitility for all us concerned rate payers Council and councilors take us all as fools. " 2011-03-11 20:43:30 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities FBP said "Maybe the best thing for St Marys would be to move the Methadone Clinic from Queen St, near the railway station to a more appropriate location." 2011-03-11 10:39:33 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities FBP said "We paid to create High Stret as a mall to promote business - We paid to create High Street back to a car traffic street to promote business - why should be pay again?. The council approved the building of both Westfields and the Village in St Marys at the expense of the main streets not us. The main street is a very 20th century idea especially when the streets seem to only offer $2 shops." 2011-03-11 10:36:31 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them FBP said "Most of the Council's halls were upgraded in the Federal Government's Stimulas package. e.g. Ridge Park Hall (Oxley Park) - diabled toilet add ramps and a large out door covered. This building have atleast 15-20 years be for they need to be touched. " 2011-03-11 10:29:46 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community FBP said "This is a money grab to make up for the capping of the Developer Levys. No one word has been said about this in any of the Council's Glossy Pamphets regard "Funding Our Future". In previous newspaper articles it stated Council would be putting up rates if the Levy was capped - so we are asked to pay for it." 2011-03-11 10:22:18 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-aboiut-the-need-to-replace-public-toiletsamenities-in-the-city FBP said "There is no way that public toilet will be as clean and safe as shopping centre toilets are. They attract the drunks and drug users and don't have toilet seats." 2011-03-11 10:15:13 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Penrith Admin said " " 2011-03-10 18:04:42 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Penrith Admin said "Sports clubs are responsible for the payment of electricity bills associated with the use of floodlights. Should the rate variation be approved this will allow Council to investigate and introduce floodlight technology which will better control use of the lights" 2011-03-10 17:58:10 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community robby said "Before hitting the pockets of the ratepayers yet again, has the council reviewed their internal spending? It would appear that now would be a good time to let the residents know that they are actually getting their moneys worth when it comes to paying out for all the other things that our money is used for eg administration costs, overseas trips etc before asking us to find extra cash for additional rates It's OK to tell us how much is being spent on public toilets and pathways but how about looking at other ways to raise the funds or at least a percentage. We are all currently looking forward to a flood levy, carbon tax and increases in gorcery prices, electricity and gas, health insurance, car insurance and home insurance. Where does the council expect residents to find the money for additonal rate increases. I'm sure things such as public toilets are high on someones list of priorities but personally my priorities include finding the money to keep a roof over my head and putting food on the table." 2011-03-09 22:18:41 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-aboiut-the-need-to-replace-public-toiletsamenities-in-the-city Sam from St Marys said "Yes. I question why there are so many. The Sydney CBD has almost none, and those it does have are user-pays." 2011-03-07 09:27:54 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Noel Selby said "This whole survey is a joke all the question are skeud so as the Council gets the answer they want and as for allowing people to have aliases instead of there real names just goes to show that maybe there are a few council employees toeing the line." 2011-03-06 18:32:13 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride user1 said "did i say it did all i suggested was stuff building cycleways they can use the footpath and the money saved could be used on somthing important like fixing our hospital" 2011-03-06 16:26:57 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-aboiut-the-need-to-replace-public-toiletsamenities-in-the-city admin said "Do you mean reduced?" 2011-03-06 14:14:47 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Billy said "Mickthemouse are you prepared to pay for it because that's precisely what we're being asked to do. We're being told the Council might not have the funds to maintain and improve parks, and to do so, it needs to raise more money. I thinks its better to raise it now than to let parks, facilities and other infrastructure decline and then have to pay the cost for it in say five or even ten years time." 2011-03-06 14:09:52 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Billy said "When the cost of things like power, fuel, wages and services required keep going up it's got to be hard to tighten the belt. I accept that the Council is not immune to all the cost increases that the rest of us as individuals and businesses have to cope with. It would be a backward step to let Council's services and our infrastructure lag too far behind. " 2011-03-06 14:03:37 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Billy said "i agree Sam that money is'nt an infinaite resource, but it appears as though Penrith Council is seeking additional rate revenue not just to build new facilities and infrastructure but to maintain what we already have." 2011-03-06 13:57:47 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Billy said "Go for it..improving cycle ways and creating more shraed footpaths is a great idea." 2011-03-06 13:55:25 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Billy said "How Sam?" 2011-03-06 13:52:41 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Billy said "user1..this has absolutely nothing to do with our local governmnets rates or council. " 2011-03-06 13:51:50 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said "well it looks like the vox populi is for maintaining existing services and/or cutting services instead of raising rates. Let's see if Council goes with this, or if this exercise has been a waste of time." 2011-03-06 09:35:56 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community user1 said "must live on river road then cause on top of all the tax i now pay and the ones the govt wants to bring in i can not afford a silly rate raise but if you live on river road whats a rate rise to you when your house cost 2 mill " 2011-03-06 08:03:41 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride user1 said "easy to say its a state issue but its the local community that have to live with it and whoever wins the state elction wont matter both sides will do nothing" 2011-03-06 07:53:53 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community fed up said "Yes we both agree that if any additional revenue is raised this needs to be policed to ensure it is only used as the public intended (like maintaining existing services before embarking on new projects). What do you propose if some households are unable to afford any increases given that everyday necessities have also increased.?? Do you apply a means test or something to find out who can really afford it?? It becomes a bit political which is why the absolute necessities should only be considered. I mean, do you build a new cycleway first before you fix a broken path?? Not usually!!" 2011-03-01 21:04:12 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Billy said "Fed up ..as much as some poor investment decisions may have occurred and I'm not sure this happened, the fact of the matter is as you agree, Council has to meet rising costs to be able to provide servces and maintain community assets. So what do you propose? Do we let services diminish and the value of assets fall and become less conducive to community use? It seems to me that most people recognise the need to raise revenue, what we need to do is firstly ensure the best ways of doing that are discussed and recommended and secondly, ensure that the additional revenue raised is used for the intended purpose and projects being proposed here. I sometimes think it is traditional and easy to bag Councils, and in this instance, I think we need to define a clear path for Council action on the projects and allocation of any funds raised." 2011-03-01 07:25:11 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Wary said "And how much of these proposed rate increases would be directed to North St Marys, the forgotten (or would like to be forgotten) thorn in PCC's side? Isn't it about time there was something done with the shops at North St Marys? Why is there a bottle shop and recently a tattoo shop opened - all within 200 metres of North St Marys Primary school? Why are pedestrians forced to walk on Griffith St (between Catalina St & Wattle St) due to the grass being so overgrown it has taken over the footpath - and of course sensible pedestrians would only walk in the daylight hours as there is very little street lighting to guide ones way at night. Forgive me for being cynical, but I can't condone a rate rise when I see very little for the money I pay now. I'm glad the mayor had a wonderful trip." 2011-02-28 23:13:02 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Billy said "Mick...you sound like a sensible mouse. I agree that right people are important." 2011-02-28 16:22:08 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community mickthemouse said "Billy, I don't think we want reduced numbers of Council staff -we just need the right people there. People who want to serve the community, and not just a cushy job. I am sure there are some very hard working Council staff behind the scenes." 2011-02-27 23:13:54 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said "Thanks Billy, it was a rhetorical question, my point being, forget the self adulation and get to the point of which I might add is the very point you made. I certainly am not going to agree to rate rise simply because Council has allegedly done a great job in the last survey...... As I have said continuously, I am happy to pay, so long as what is promised by Council is delivered NOT just the status quo. Bit like what 'Disgusted' is saying." 2011-02-27 22:02:02 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Billy said "Sam....its about rate increases, maintaining services and being able to renew and maintain facilities, not where someone may or may not work." 2011-02-27 20:33:21 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Billy said "Scott, Council is accountable and reports at Council meetings and in annual reports." 2011-02-27 20:31:24 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Billy said "I'm not sure how increasing rates can be called a lazy decision. I agree Council should offset increasing costs by implementing efficiencies, but given that a large proportion of revenue is generated from rates, its a good business decision and natural to increase rates proportionally to offset rising costs. I think it is a natural business decision that needs to made in tandem with improved efficiencies, and I think it a bit rich to call it a lazy decision." 2011-02-27 20:29:17 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Billy said "I'm not sure reducing Council staff can provide Council with the capacity to be able keep pace with cost increases or provide the capacity to maintain the services we expect or allow council to be be in a position to renew and maintain facilities" 2011-02-27 20:20:23 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Billy said "Andy...I'm sure all residents did not respond, however, in instances such as this a representative sample is the norm. I suggest you're playing semantics. I think the real question here is whether we want Council to be able keep pace with cost increases and have the capacity to provide the types and range of services we expect and to be in a position to renew and maintain facilities. Is it not? " 2011-02-27 20:16:17 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Billy said "I'm staisfied with Council's performance. I agree that for Council to continue to provide services at a an appropriate level and to improve and renew facilities, rates rises for the full amont proposed should be approved. The impact on my rates indicates good value." 2011-02-27 20:11:02 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Gatt said "I believe people/families look for good ways to spend spare time.I suggest council uses recreational spaces next to jordan springs to create part wildlife,part recreational area for local communities to enjoy. Council should charge a fair admittance fee. This would raise funds for council." 2011-02-27 16:44:33 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community disgusted said "I have a couple of questions for council! A few years back the valuer general re assessed the land value of all residents of Penrith City Council (I am gathering it was an across the whole of NSW , however this question is for Penrith City Council) my rates increased approx 300 - 400 dollars due to an increased value of my land. This was windfall for the government as it was an increase along with the yearly cpi increase. Question: - where has this extra revenue gone. This has been taken in the coffers for around 3 years now however they are now crying poor. There is has been no new projects over past years, no massive improvements outside what had already been set in yearly budgets, yet we know face the prospect that services will be cut. Question - Section 94 contributions paid by developers for increase of open spaces, new roads etc etc - where have these been spent. Oxley Park has been developed beyond belief with over 50% of its 1000 blocks now with 3 - 12 townhouses on them, and the only improvement to date has been a park added to Brisbane Street at a cost of approx $ 100,000. Rough calculation suggests 5 - 6 million in section 94 contributions - where has gone? How will council be accountable for spending of this extra funds - as it stands now millions go in but not a lot come out! With the carbon tax, flood tax and any other tax, now an increase in rates along with cost of living, electricity, water......I dont have enough room to list them all - we hand over this money but it is never accounted for, no ones sees where it is actually spent and how much time it takes for tasks to be done (for example the time it took to install lights at the round about in Penrith near Panthers) how much money is spent on consultants, instead of asking the public who can give the info out for nothing. It is about time that every level of government is accountable for their actions and spending, because soon we will working just to keep government in existence." 2011-02-27 15:37:59 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride disgusted said "Great idea as, lets face it there is more cycle traffic than foot traffic. Since this city is becoming more busy cyclists that ride on the roads (have to swerve parked cars and ride into the line of traffic) take their lives into their hands each day. As long as cyclists observe safety when using the footpaths then it would be a great idea and give peace of mind to parents of 12 and over to their safety. " 2011-02-27 15:22:24 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said ""87% of residents were satisfied with Council's performance (Customer Survey 2009)" Are you sure 100% responded? 87% of residents would suggest that 100% responded. OR is it 87% of RESPONDENTS?? If it's the latter, how many responded? I guess the same goes for the other questions. " 2011-02-27 11:57:02 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community fed up said "I take it then your all for paying more in rates. You must be on a good wage so can you pay mine too.??? I accept cost of providing services has and obviously will continue to increase but lets not forget the real reason why we are asking to pay more. POOR MONEY MANAGEMENT or POOR INVESTMENT DECISIONS. The council is hiding behind this facade of; 'We have to increase your rates because you have asked us to provide all these new services as well as continue with the existing services.' I beg your pardon. !! When was the last time ANY council listened to its ratepayers? Personally I don't want all these new services in the current financial environment. Just maintain existing services ONLY. Oh yes I forgot, these existing services have increased so we have to pay more because of bad investment decisions. You commented that we have to pay more for increased staffing and services. Was the services the extra garbage bin collection that ratepayers have been asked to pay extra for.?? As for the extra staffing well I am surprised - I'm glad someone is taking on more staff in these hard times. Council must be the only one. I hope they are out in the 'field' doing the 'extra' work not sitting behind a desk. " 2011-02-27 10:40:01 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them ivana said "Everyone is entitled to their opinion, hence why I am voicing mine. The council needs to know the range of opinions before coming to a decision. Unlike you, I am not making commentaries on anyone else's opinion. I am simply voicing mine forward." 2011-02-27 10:34:01 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community user1 said "must live on river road then cause on top of all the tax i now pay and the ones the govt wants to bring in i can not afford a silly rate raise but if you live on river road whats a rate rise to you when your house cost 2 mill" 2011-02-27 08:19:24 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-too-much-rubbish-around-shopping-centres-and-railway mickthemouse said "I was astounded at how many cats I saw around at night recently when I was walking around Queen St and Charles Hackett Drive. It would have been almost 50." 2011-02-26 23:57:17 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them mickthemouse said "Ripples is getting tired and worn out. There is very little there for kids compared to many modern pools these days. I live in St Marys but take my kids elsewhere now, even if it means paying a bit more." 2011-02-26 23:55:19 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them mickthemouse said "just need to clear out the deadwood among those who run the Community Centre at St Marys so we get more things happening there." 2011-02-26 23:52:12 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them mickthemouse said "The parks in St Marys are dreadful and need some attention too" 2011-02-26 23:50:25 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community mickthemouse said "We need more alcohol free areas around our parks and laneways so Police can remove people who get drunk and violent in these areas." 2011-02-26 23:44:39 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community mickthemouse said "It all comes down to how the staff numbers are reduced. Usually with a volutary redundancy, it is the good workers who leave and those with an entrenched public service mentality of doing as little work as possible remain." 2011-02-26 23:40:58 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community mickthemouse said "As for the second part of the question about service levels. Sadly -the questions have not been written neutrally, but skewed to provide the response the Council wants -approval to raise rates. And because the questions were rigged -they will then claim the survey said we should raise fees. Services need to be improved. For example the playgrounds in St Marys are appalling. Broken glass everywhere, broken graffittied equipment that is very old. A look through the Council's financial statements for year ending June 10 provide many ways to change this. Instead of focussing on services -they seem to be focussed on hoarding assets. The reports say in the past year Penrith Council's assets have gone up $1630 per person ($281 Million). The report boasts that Council is sitting on $18 Million dollars worth of investment properties. Sell these and get back to fixing the basics like you are supposed to be doing. There is a huge empty park in St Marys -Gidley St, Stapleton Parade, King St in St Marys that is hardly ever used because there is nothing in the park to do. There once was a community hall that the council has demolished and replaced with... nothing. Council should develop along Stapleton Parade where they could easily divide off 20 blocks of land without detracting from the space in the park, and with the proceeds of just a few of those blocks of land could build some excellent play and sporting facilities, and have $1.5 to $2 million to spare. Rates currently account for just 54% of the Council's income -but it seems that rate rises are the only area being investigated to increase income." 2011-02-26 23:37:05 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community mickthemouse said "I have had very positive experiences with my contact with Councillors. I have had very poor experience with my contact with Penrith Council staff. There needs to be performance reviews conducted for the Council staff. There is definitely some dead wood we could get rid of." 2011-02-26 23:06:12 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said "iPART will determine the % increase in rates, if we agree to a % higher than this, conditional on certain benchmarks, delivery of projects or whatever, then it becomes a contract and if they don't deliver then the money comes back. But you're right (just look at Ju-liar Gillard's latest rendition), it gets too complicated and most people are too complacent, but they love to whinge. All I wish for is a better community and I'm prepared to pay for it." 2011-02-26 21:55:34 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Scott said "Thats great Andy, how are they going to demonstrate accountability back to the rate payer. Governments have black belts in saying one thing and delivering poor return." 2011-02-26 18:30:06 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Scott said "Where the hell does PCC think families will get the extra money from to fund this variation? Families are for ever putting their hands in their pockets for rising costs for services due to incompetent governments. People have had a gutfull of continuously hearing how government at all levels is wasting money like there's no tomorrow. I feel offended how PCC seem to be holding a gun to our head suggesting that maintenance levels will be dropped or downgraded if the variation is not passed. How dare you. Our household and my neighbours have all cut their spending and at my own place of employment and at many other people's work that they have and still are in a cost cutting phase. This has been a huge wake-up call for business who can show an actual increase in products and services whilst keeping a cap on spend. I urge very strongly that PCC start to look at their internal running costs before using the rate payer to bear the brunt. That's an easy way out. I strongly oppose any increase in rates until PCC can demonstrate how they have cut spend whilst keeping up and maintaining services. Come on PCC, you would have some good people there to think outside the square like the rest of us. Back yourselves and be the benchmark model for other councils and get some real notoriety." 2011-02-26 18:03:40 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community smwhit31 said "Suggesting an outsider to do an audit will just give our councillors another excuse for a audit to justify the need to increase rates. The our councilors may need to go overseas again to see how it is done in other country paid by you and all the other rate payers. Guess what we have the internet you don't need to go overseas using our money to find better ways to do things. I for one am fed up with funding overseas trips for councillors to have a holiday." 2011-02-26 13:49:44 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community smwhit31 said "Emuplanes It is important for services to be maintained however the way they are maintained now is pathetic so without a rate increase I would prefer them to actually maintained how they should be. The waste of ratepayers money is a disgrace. We recieve an extra bin reduce the size of the main red lid bin and only pick up fortnightly was the biggest joke I have ever seen. I have now seen how people are not recycling correctly and/or using the bins in the parks (like Jamison park) to put thier excess rubbish in because the red lids are too small and during summer a health risk. But we still pay our rates for these fools on council to come up with stupid ideas. In answer to you statement I don't want to pay a little more until these fools learn to spend the money they get now more efficiently." 2011-02-26 13:40:05 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Fox said "I have lived in St Marys for 47yrs & would like the PCC to devote as much time & energy here as in Penrith. Christmas time is one example, rows of broken lights is all we get. The footpath & a supporting wall between Fleming St, & Marsden Road along the Great Western H/Way has been in need of repair for many yrs. There was a small amount of repair work done on the wall recently that took 3 weeks for the workmen to do, a handyman could have done the work in a much shorter time, & the money must have ran out for they never came down the H/Way to do the rest of the wall which has large holes in it. As for toilets if you are a senior & have a bladder & walking problems make sure you are not at either end of Queen Street for the toilets are only in the centre, both in side streets " 2011-02-26 11:26:45 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community StClair said "I believe Town Planners had their heart in the right place when they designed and built Laneways for our suburbs. However the reality is that they create more problems then they are worth. Consistently across Sydney Laneways are a problem. Anti Social behaviour and crime flourishes around Laneways. At the end of the day it is the Rate Payer who has to foot the bill. Each and every year the cost of maintaining our Laneways increases. It's worth noting that new housing estates no longer feature Laneways. They do however have parks with pathways to encourage walker, riders and family time. " 2011-02-26 00:05:14 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Andy said "The hospital is a NSW government responsibility. You will get your say on this issue on March 26!!!" 2011-02-25 20:59:10 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them Andy said "Some strong words and even stronger opinions here Ivana. It sounds to me you would like to segragate certain parts of the community (Rate distribution). Perhaps you would like to live in a 'gated community'. I strongly disagree with this concept. We are a community and we need to work as one. How can you claim that Council is wasting money by undertaking community consultation and input. Bet you would be first to cry, "they didn't consult with me" if they failed to undertake this task. The remainder of your claims sound very subjective and very selfish. Again, we are a community with various and varying needs (aka we are all different). I often use public toilets when the kids are doing their weekend activities and so do many others......" 2011-02-25 20:55:52 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Andy said "Be fair, If you were an employee, you were obligated under your code of conduct to report wastage and criminal activity. If you witnessed this, did you report it? If not, then you have no right to slander people or Council. Show us the evidence please." 2011-02-25 20:39:26 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Andy said "Because you sell syringes? " 2011-02-25 20:35:15 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said "Agree with all your comments, except for roads lasting for 50 years. There is no basis for this, as things have changed significantly over the past 50 years, more cars, more frequent use, heavier vehicles and all this costs a lot more (higher wages and regulations) to maintain, even with better technology and materials. " 2011-02-25 20:31:35 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said "I agree with reviewing current expenditure and looking for efficiencies. I would also suggest looking for new revenue schemes - all levels of government need to become more commercial and invest in positive return investments to help pay the growing costs and demands of the community. However I draw the line at freezing wages, they are human beings too with expenses just like the rest of us. Wage freeze is the simple way, just like raising rates above ipart. As I said before, I am happy to pay more if there is a return on investment, if not Council should be liable to pay it all back." 2011-02-25 20:26:56 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them ivana said "There is no excuse to raise Council Rates for this program. Councillors must prioritise areas of need and work towards them without making the people of Penrith more out of pocket. The most important areas of need should be addressed according to the current council rate distribution. Communities in need of particular infrastructure should be encouraged to petition and argue that their needs are top priority which the council should consider based on current funding available. Unfortunately, spending money on trying to persuade the community to fund this program is an oxymoron. Advertising money could be allocated towards a project of need instead. Most public toilets are located around shopping centres and privately owned institutions, therefore I do not see the point in allocating money there when private enterprises speak for themselves. Local industry and jobs are also driven by the private sector. The council needs to give justified detail for this. Trying to encourage people to cycle or walk is no excuse to fund new paths. There are plenty unused paths within the Penrith area. People who want to exercise will find a way! There should be tougher penalties for people who litter. No one should be picking up after anyone! Maintaining parks and community centres should be a priority, however current funds should be more than enough to cover the cost of this. The council needs to prioritise and stay productive and efficient in the way funds are spent and allocated. I strongly disagree with this proposal! The people of Penrith City Council have enough bills to pay as it is!" 2011-02-25 20:17:41 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Bails said "well said All" 2011-02-25 19:56:58 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Bails said "Council needs to look within itself and trim expenses. Maintain services at this level and find the savings within. Use planning instruments and Section 94 contributions to bring improvements to Penrith and St Marys Town Centres. Reduce overseas trips and freeze senior management and councillor pay rises. Reduce management numbers. Bring some competition to the works department by using selected private contractors on council mowing and maintenance works." 2011-02-25 19:53:40 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community rehe said "Cannot help thinking the bricks inserted on the road in main street areas was an enormous waste of money. If roads were constructed properly they sould not need more work for 50 years, especially in housing areas, but seems to be "a little dab will do it" principle. All jobs should be properly looked at as to need before spending money. not just the attitude it is budgeted to be done on a certain date and that's what will happen when that allocation of money could be directed elswhere. Thought needs to be directed to how older members of the community will be able to pay all the extras with now a carbon tax & increased electricity charges on a fixed income. after all there is little difference between pension discounts available and what full wage earners pay for all these services. Judy" 2011-02-25 15:25:35 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Penrith Admin said "Council's proposed works program for Parks is provided in the document attached to this discussion thread and also in the KEY INFORMATION section (under "Parks - Proposed Works Program 2011-2015")" 2011-02-25 14:33:04 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Penrith Admin said "The 6% rate rise in 2012-2013 will be offset by a rate reduction of 3.68% (or $ 3 million) due to the completion of Council’s pre-existing 10 Year Enhanced Environmental Program (EEP) which commenced in 2002-2003. The combined effect of the offset is that only $1.5 million in additional revenue will be raised in 2012-2013. In addition, the Rates Comparison table on page 9 of the Community Information Booklet (view this at KEY INFORMATION) include a Stormwater levy of $25 for urban residential households. This levy will fund any ongoing works previously included in the EEP from 2012-2013 onwards. " 2011-02-25 14:26:21 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Hoping for a Healthy City said "I agree that lane ways can attract anti social behavior. However, they were initially constructed to provide a pedestrian network and this is very important if we want to encourage children (and adults!) to walk/ ride more rather than relying on unhealthy, expensive and environmentally unfriendly cars, then we need to make it safe and easy to travel by foot/ bike/ scooter etc." 2011-02-25 14:15:02 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Hoping for a Healthy City said "In 1999 the councillors asked the council staff to prepare a strategic plan for play equipment to make sure that the parks that most needed play grounds received them first, and so that residents would know what was being proposed and when. This request became part of a bigger recreational needs study. However, it's unclear as to whether the original request for a strategic plan for play equipment was ever met. Such a plan would how whether the Warbler / Kestrel park was due for an upgrade, what was being proposed, when, and (hopefully) why the given priority was determined." 2011-02-25 14:10:32 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community emuplanes said "No Sam." 2011-02-25 13:56:04 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Hoping for a Healthy City said "The council should review its systems and processes so that it is operating as efficiently as possible. I have heard from former council staff that some of their systems and processes are outdated and inefficient. Having said that, and having looked at the job ads in the local papers, the council certainly does not appear to pay outrageous wages for staff. I can't comment on what the managers receive, or how top heavy the management structure is. (Maybe this is something that could be considered). " 2011-02-25 13:46:19 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them The Thinker said "As a general rule, it is prudent for Council to have and implement a proper maintenance strategy for it's building assets and if that means paying extra in rates, then I would not be against it. However, let us not confuse maintenance with upgrades. In the list of upgrades, there appears to be many expenditures that can be posponed. Can I ask Council to: 1) Carry out an audit of it's 254 properties, to identify and dispose of those which are not used, are rarely used or are so dilapidated that they are uneconomical to maintain. 2) Identify those properties where the office accommodation, community use or continued viability is questionable. For example - surely there must be potential for diposing of the old Council Chambers and old Library buildings etc. and amalgamating their current occupants and community uses into a single, more functional modern building. 3) Where council does erect new buildings, can we have structures that are less expensive to build, more economical to maintain and less "way out" in their designs than the "Starship Enterprise" (Council Admin. Centre) or the fallen down wheat silo (Performing Atrs Centre), that seems to be an absolute "money pit" to maintain. My advice to Council is - get the basics right and ratepayers won't oppose rate increases. Let's have Council buildings that are functional rather that fashionable." 2011-02-25 12:41:12 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-too-much-rubbish-around-shopping-centres-and-railway Sam from St Marys said "Why doesn't the council remove/destroy feral cats when they are informed about them? They regularly fight, defacate and are sometimes run over by cars in the East Lane car park-St Marys." 2011-02-25 12:17:43 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Sam from St Marys said "I reckon 'Emuplanes' works for the council too. " 2011-02-25 12:10:33 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Sam from St Marys said "If I was a businessman looking to build an office tower, why would I set up my business in a street like Queen Street-St Marys with tattoo parlours, brothels, and shooting galleries?" 2011-02-25 12:07:57 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Sam from St Marys said "I think that many of the shared pathways in the area are unnecessary, require expensive maintenance, and can attract anti-social behaviour. The council should take this opportunity to rationalise some of them." 2011-02-25 12:03:17 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Sam from St Marys said "Money isn't an infinite resource. If the council doesn't have money to build cycleways, it shouldn't build them." 2011-02-25 11:55:04 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-aboiut-the-need-to-replace-public-toiletsamenities-in-the-city Sam from St Marys said "I believe the number of public toilets should be rationalised. However the ones that remain should be clean, safe and well maintained." 2011-02-25 11:49:19 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities The Thinker said "In my view there are a number of relevant points. 1) Council, please don't forget your expensive disaster that was the Penrith Mall! 2) Ratepayers need to be more involved with planning, designing and prioritising any upgrade projects. Don't leave it to Council Planners or worse still "out there" architects trying to make a name for themselves. Message to Council - involve the community in all the processes of facelifts for Penrith and St. Marys. 3) An upgrade to Riley Street in Penrith is one of those proposed projects - but here is an example of another one of those irritating decisions made by Council as some years ago they planted trees along the eastern side of Riley Street and 4 months ago, just when the trees were maturing, looking good and providing wonderful shade - Council comes along and cuts them down! Now ratepayers will have to spend money on another upgrade! I don't get it?" 2011-02-25 11:48:57 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them Sam from St Marys said "All the community hall maintenance should be delayed. In fact, user-pay fees for these acilities hsould be raised to cover maintenance. Why should rate payers fund the University of the 3rd Age? It's not part of the council." 2011-02-25 11:46:50 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community emuplanes said "No I don't. I'm being realistic." 2011-02-25 11:39:48 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Sam from St Marys said "I agree 100%. This would help save a lot of power costs." 2011-02-25 11:39:18 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community emuplanes said "No I don't actually. i'm just realistic enough to know that increased costs must affect Council's ability to be able to continue to provide services and infrastructure maintenance. " 2011-02-25 11:38:25 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Sam from St Marys said "This sounds like a 'motherhood statement'. We would all like to spend more money on infrastructure for children, BUT money isn't an infinite resource. The council needs to tighten its own belt." 2011-02-25 11:36:08 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride The Thinker said ""Hoping for a Healthy City" brings up some good points. I totally agree about those stupid bike lane white lines painted on various roads around Penrith e.g. the entire length of York Road Sth Penrith. They do not make it any safer for cyclists, they actually slow traffic down as cars in front turn left and they must have cost an absolute "bomb" to put in and maintain. Perhaps Council should abandon the upkeep of these white lines and divert the savings into proper cycle ways or even spend the white paint money on marking parking bays around the Hospital and CBDs of Penrith and St. Marys where parking is at a premium. Nothing more infuriating than a motorist who either selfishly or unconsciuosly takes up more than one car space when parking." 2011-02-25 11:31:59 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Sam from St Marys said "Money isn't an infinite resource. More infrastructure should be built at a latter date when they have the sufficient money." 2011-02-25 11:30:15 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Sam from St Marys said "The council needs to audit its accounts and cut costs, rather than making a lazy decision to ask for more money." 2011-02-25 11:26:53 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community user1 said "work for the penrith council do you " 2011-02-25 11:26:33 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Sam from St Marys said "Many laneways attract anti-social behaviour, and require additional mowing, cleaing, lighting etc. I believe that many laneways in St Marys should be closed off, and I believe this would help in other areas of the district as well." 2011-02-25 11:25:10 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Sam from St Marys said "I believe the council is being lazy, when it should be 'iving' within its means." 2011-02-25 11:22:26 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Sam from St Marys said "This user sounds like they work for the council." 2011-02-25 11:19:42 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Sam from St Marys said "I have dealt with some very good staff, and some terribly lazy staff. The council should reduce its staff numbers by 5-10%. This would cut costs and force council staff to work harder. " 2011-02-25 11:14:44 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Bluey said "I appreciate the need to maintain service levels and want to see infrastructure likes parks, cycle ways and commercial precincts upgraded. Having looked at the rate increase documents, the increases are minimal when compared to other cost increases I am sure Council has to cope with for fuel, electricty, water, staffing and all the goods and services it needs to effectively and efficiently maintain our community. Go for it!" 2011-02-25 09:57:29 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community emuplanes said "In answer to Fed Up's first sentence.....Increases in the price of goods and services that Council requires to maintain its service levels and our infrastructure. Council is no different from you, me or any other business, it also has to manage increased prices for fuel, water, electricity, staffing and services it needs to purchase. As costs to Council continue to increase its ability to maintain existing services and community infrastructure will decrease proportionally to cost increases." 2011-02-25 09:45:22 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community emuplanes said "Get real!" 2011-02-25 09:39:34 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community emuplanes said "I disagree, for all of us in our homes or in business, we have had to balance increased prices particularly for fuel, electricty , water and food. In our homes salary increases adjsuted to the cost of living provide relief and in business, increased costs are absorbed by revenue from increasing price of good and services delivered by the business. Council is no different in that the cost of fuel, electricty, water, staffing and services used by Council have increased and this is a natural if not normal way of maintaining its capacity to provide services and infrastructure for its community." 2011-02-25 09:39:17 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community emuplanes said "Hi Haines my rates will increase by $4 a week or $200 dollars a year as well, but in light of increases across just about everything, I think $4 a week to keep existing services and be able to continually upgrade and renew facilities is minimal. By comparion to electricty, water, fuel, and food, a $4 a week increase is comparatively nothing and represents good value." 2011-02-25 09:31:22 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Andy said "Agree, I too have been doing the slog for more than 10 years. Various surrounding suburbs have grown exponentially over this time and most workers either travel to other CBD's or are trades people. We need real jobs in Penrith to support the growing population. I would like to know what the 2mil a year will be spent on, then have the rate payers vote on it." 2011-02-24 21:01:41 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said "Question Can anyone explain why a 6% rate rise in 2012/2013 only generates $1.5m additional revenue?" 2011-02-24 20:49:02 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Andy said "I am very pleased that the dialogue has been opened up on this issue and Council should be commended. I would be happy to support a 10% annual increase to rates (disadvantaged and aged pensioners exempt) SO LONG AS, rate payers could hold Council accountable in delivering what has been agreed. If they fail, the increase should be credited to the next year. Andy" 2011-02-24 20:45:03 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community StClair said "I totally agree with the second paragraph of Haines comment. A rate increase is the easy or lasy option. Council should have a complete audit of it expenses and see if there are ways to cut the fat. Perhaps Council should consider an outsider to do said Audit. At least that way you would get a impartial opinion. Additionally Council needs to look at the services it provides to determine if these services are being provided in the most economical manner. " 2011-02-24 19:52:15 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them concerned resident ep said "I had a look at the parks to be upgraded with play equipment. I contacted council in 2009 and was told that Erskine Park was on the list but there were a lot older parks area in the Penrith area that needed to be updated before they got to Erskine Park. I am a little concerned that there is only 2 parks in Erskine Park to be upgraded in the near future and other areas such as Glenmore Park are on the list and this area is not as old as Erskine Park. I would like to see the park in Warbler Street and Kestrel Cres added to the list. I have lived here for almost 17 years and I have never seen this park have an upgrade." 2011-02-24 16:26:26 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them The Thinker said "David Campbell - You are absolutely spot on with your comments about training lights being on at Jamo Park and nobody there using them. The same thing happens at Hunter Field in Emu Planes and I suspect at numerous other parks in Penrith. It appears these lights are on auto. How unnecessarily costly is this. I agree with you David - give the sports clubs who use the fields keys (having $100 returnable deposit) so they can turn lights on and off as actually required. This is yet another one of those little efficiencies that could save Council money and which could be diverted into park improvements. " 2011-02-24 14:38:11 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them David_Campbell said "Penrith City Council should be looking at ways of saving money and then using the savings to upgrade the facilities at places like Jamison Park. I have driven past there many nights during the winter season to see no-one training on the soccer fields or the netball courts but the lights are blazing away. How many fields within the Penrith area have their lights on and no-one training there. Parker Street is another example. Give the clubs the ability to turn off lights on fields when they are not in use." 2011-02-24 11:15:56 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community StClair said "How much of PCC rates are wasted on maintaining the various Laneways/Alleys in suburban Penrith. PCC should advise ratepayers the true & total costs of maintaining our Laneways. I think you would be in for a very rude shock. A closed Laneway results in; No more GRAFFITI, no more LITTER, no more Mowing and LESS CRIME. PCC has already begun to close Laneways in St.Clair. Not a single closed Laneway has re-opened. Why ? Because a closed Laneway makes a huge difference to the local residents and an even bigger difference to the PCC bottom line. Why put our rates up whilst continuing to maintain Laneways that provide no community benefits ?" 2011-02-23 22:03:10 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Hoping for a Healthy City said "Thank you for including some additional information about what is being proposed. It would be nice to see how much is proposed to be spent for each particular project, as well as more details (eg how many metres of footpath), and more specific information about the proposed timetable (eg financial year the particular project is proposed to be constructed). As for footpath and kern and guttering upgrades, has the condition of the footpath and mobility issues (eg wheelchair accessibility /pram ramps) been considered? Could council please respond to this? Also, is there an artist's drawing or concept plan that could be included for further information? Thanks." 2011-02-23 11:59:40 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Dr House said "Generally speaking the councillors do a good job. Most rate payers are good citizens, do the right thing and enjoy the facilities. There will always be those morons who vandalise, graffiti, pollute and cause unnecessary costs to us all. The costs of which help cause our rates to rise. There are those other costs like inflation, unnecessary but nice ideas to keep people gainfully employed and the travel junkets we see when council goes on overseas trips to study. Nice but unnecessary in times of financial constraints. An extra rate rise? First see where the fat lies, trim then recalculate. All too easy to just hit the residents with this hike. Yes, we need to maintain services but are our rates astutely well spent?" 2011-02-22 23:46:00 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community The Thinker said "Council is "on a hiding to nothing" scoreline on this issue. If Council gets the biggest rate increase (about 6% p.a.) it will be able to maintain and enhance services - but many rate payers will scream blue murder at the increase. If Council gets the medium rates increase ( about 4% p.a.) it will only be able to maintain services at the current level and rate payer will still scream at the increase. If Council only gets the approved 2.8% increase in rates - services will have to be cut and ratepayers affected will scream blue murder. Good luck Council - I would not like to have to make the decision on which services have to be cut back. Which services would you cut back? eg. Library, sports fields, parks, public facilities, children or seniors services, etc. ??????? " 2011-02-22 22:52:44 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community user1 said "the council provides services wow what are they i mean i have an extra bin that they empty each week sure its empty and my main bin is now smaller and over flowing and emptied fortnightly and my uncle has been assulted 4 time's in 1 year going to work he's 70 by the way i wonder if he can afford the rates he must be able to cause he's 70 AND STILL WORKING AT 3 IN THE MORNING oh by the way he works in a council owned shopping center that has no security cause they wont pay for some or even cameras go cranbrook " 2011-02-22 17:56:00 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride user1 said "use the footpath and spend the money on the hospital instead" 2011-02-22 17:45:36 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities guysh said "well said kira ,i was a former council worker and the amount of time and money wasted by so called bosses was criminal it was a joke ,no way will i be paying for there bad managment of council funds ,there are to many people at the top that need to be looked at very seriously ." 2011-02-22 15:12:50 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community fed up said "How is it costing more now to provide the same services that ratepayers have been paying for year after year. I don't think the workers wages have gone up.!! Perhaps its the cost of petrol to mow the grass in the parks and clean the extra graffiti off public property?. I could suggest a way to get this cleaned up without raising extra rates. Also, I've heard many councils are under water because they have mis-managed ratepayers money and made bad investment decisions. if that's the case don't try and punish the ratepayers for your mistakes. I suggest just maintain existing services and cut most of the other unnecessary ones at this time. They can always be revisited later - when and if the need arises." 2011-02-21 22:24:21 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities fed up said "Being a person who travels into the city each day I would like to know how you plan on bringing employment opportunities to Penrith. Surely you don't suggest spending a heap on making the city look pretty is going to achieve it. Business needs incentive. How is the council going to do that?" 2011-02-21 22:07:30 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride trafton said "Improved and wider footpaths I agree with, but not dedicated cycleways. Most of the time rules and laws are not acknowledged and followed by cyclist enthusiasts anyway. I am all for improving community facilities and infrastructure in the interest of family, but not for "cyclists" per say." 2011-02-21 22:01:45 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community concerned resident said "My rates would go up nearly $200 in Mt Vernon. I know people will say that we can afford it if we can afford to live there in the first place, but that's just not fair or true. We are a 2 income family with 3 kids who work really hard to live where we do, but it doesn't mean we can just keep on copping more increases. We would have to seriously consider selling to move to an area without such expensive rates. Penrith rates are double the rates for the same size rural property in the Fairfield council area. What is the big difference?" 2011-02-21 13:35:18 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities concerned resident said "I am totally in agreement with Kira. It is hard enough to pay the existing rates without the threat of a hike. I can't see much change coming about - and how about how it all affects the rural rate payers. We already have ludicrously high rates. If it coes up, we will seriously considering reloacting out of the area as we cant afford it." 2011-02-21 13:28:59 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them me1 said "The main streets of St Marys for an example is very out dated and needs help very badly.....just some advice check out the Clarence Valley councils main street of Maclean and what they have done to improve the look of the town.....they had old buildings that needed to be refurbished....the town came up with a heritage theme and it has improved the place considerably...if you guys are serious about peoples recommendations you will look into this......To be honest it is quite depressing driving or walking down the main street of st marys....it lacks charm and lacks value to the area..." 2011-02-18 10:47:27 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Pamela said "Looks like the works plan is up there. " 2011-02-18 06:33:32 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Pamela said "Thanks Kira - I did read that. I think its clear enough and not hidden. average werrington rates are $45 per year each year for 4 years. So yes I understand my rates wil be higher in four years time but there will be additional improvements to parks, bike paths, public toilets etc.. The "rate peg" is always there as the government does this so it is only the extra between the rate peg and additional work. I would still hate to see services drop. Yes other state government charges increase but you don;t always see a benefit there. For example electricity I don;t think things are getting better there yet we pay more. My view is at least with the rates I will see improvements for my money. " 2011-02-18 06:31:29 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Kira said "This is the biggst joke of all? In this "general economic downturn" you are expecting the rate payers to pay for 'quality street signs, bins, seats and banners in the city centres. Seriously , havent we done this to death i.e. mall in, mall out, crazy street paving etc. You say these improvement will help with encourage economic growth but it hasnt't so far. If you say it... they will not come, if you build it...they will not come, if we pay for it....they will not come. Business do not want to be in this area of Penrith or St Marys. They want to be were the people are. You approve major shopping centres like Westfield, then you continually pump money into a dead horse i.e. High Street. You are already considering another business area on the other side of the rail line. Will we have another rate increase to keep that going in a few years time. Focus Council and learn to say 'No, we are not focusing on that area at this time'. I cant even get my street sign straighten and pointing in the correct direct after 2 requests." 2011-02-16 21:57:59 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Kira said "I couldnt agree more with Haines. Council provides great services for locals but that is easy to do when every few years you ask them to pay more money. This is the easy way out of a hole that council let themselves get in. Stop putting on 'new and improved' services, let everyone (council and the local people) have a chance to get on their feet. Everyone is hurting from the general economic downturn not just council so just stop for a few years, cut back on stuff that isn't essential and all the trips overseas. Im sure if you try really hard you could save a few more dollars. You are expecting the people of Penrith to find a few more dollars." 2011-02-16 21:30:47 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Kira said "Hi Pamela I hope you have done your calculations correctly as far as I can read from all the information (which isn't so user friendly and some main points hidden deep in the guff council is trying to sell) is that your rates will actually be near $200 per year more expensive in 4 years time which is ongoing plus 'rate- peg' after the 4 years. Read the the FAQ's closely - 'base rate will have been raised to a sustainable level' then ongoing rate-peg increase. Maybe Council can clarify this information and be upfront with the details." 2011-02-16 21:05:43 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them samngeorge said "I used to live in blue mountains council area and now live in penrith. I always used to bring my children to play in the parks in penrith because they are mowed more often, have better equipment and are more interesting. Make sure you keep up this level of maintenance and replacing equipment because in this day and age when kids are in front of tv and computer games you need options to get them outside and being active." 2011-02-15 12:04:43 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Pamela said "Hi Haines I sort of agree with all the other costs rising so much more than inflation but when reading the information on the page and my memory the rate rises each have been approved by the government but at less than inflation and the other costs rises. Council has had savings and efficiencies. I would think there are some areas like swimming pools where costs could be saved like closing the pools in winter and opening longer in summer like "hoping for a healthy city" said above. Overseas trips for councillors could be stopped. If there is no increase in rates then services would be cut and I would hate to see the library service cut. " 2011-02-12 14:08:06 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community haines said "Agree Councils performance to date is satisfactory, but I am yet to be convinced that a rate rise is appropriate considering the current economic environment and financial increases already scheduled including tax, electricity and the general cost of living. I believe a rate rise would be the easy answer, I believe council has an opportunity to reduce waste and ensure that it is obtaining better value out of current resources & funds. Council has had rate rises every year for years, I would suggest that a year or two with no rate rise would be more appropriate given the current economic environment whilst continuing to provide the services it is responsible to provide." 2011-02-12 13:45:36 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Hoping for a Healthy City said "I'm not sure what the situation with respect to St Marys is, but I would like to know more about what is being proposed, when it is being propsoed and how much it will cost. This would give residents a better idea as to whether or not the proposed rate increase is worth supporting. And as a former commuter I couldn't agree more with the need for more jobs in Penrith. But the state and federal governments can do a lot to help here, by relocating government departments to Penrith and enabling local service provision. We need more than just retail jobs!" 2011-02-12 10:32:11 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Hoping for a Healthy City said "This is an absolutely critical issue. Despite significant increases in funding over the last 15 years, there are still not enough footpaths, and the cycleways are virtually non-existent. (Note to council - white stripes painted on the road in the parking lane DO NOT and have NEVER been adequate as cycleways). But what will the additional $800,000 per year sought give us? More white paint on the roads? Or a few km (if that) of cycleways? And where will these cycleways be? There's no point if they don't link up/ don't go anywhere or it's not possible to get there. For instance, it would be fantastic if there was a cycleway down to the regatta centre so that a family could ride bikes there and then ride around the regatta centre. There's a decent pathway along Castelreagh Rd, so there are some links in place. But getting to the regatta centre by bike is dangerous - definitely not safe for families/ children. And you shouldn't need a car to enjoy a bike ride around the regatta centre. There are other instances of cycleways/ footpaths just ending and requiring people to then take their lives into their hands and use the road (eg eastern end of Glenmore Park - once you get to the Northern Rd there's suddenly no more footpath. NOt very helpful if you're trying to get from A to B). Given the cost of footpaths/ cycleways, I suspect that an additional $800,000 per year is far from adequate to address the needs of cycleways and footpaths across the Penrith LGA. Penrith is way behind other councils when it comes to proper cycle/ footpath networks. So let's have some more information from Council. What's the strategic plan for delivering a proper cycleway/ footpath network that enables residents to travel by foot and bike safely across the Penrith LGA?" 2011-02-12 10:25:24 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-aboiut-the-need-to-replace-public-toiletsamenities-in-the-city Hoping for a Healthy City said "Public toilets are essential and do need to be kept to a high standard (hard though this can be). But I thought that the newer designs were less likely to be vandalised/ defaced. Having said this, what is actually being proposed to be constructed/ maintained with the increased rate revenue? I would like to see more information from the Council - it would make it easier to support (or reject) the proposal if residents had a better idea as to whether or not the proposed rate increase would give us value for money. (Ie, I would like to know what is being proposed, where, when it will be delivered and how much it will cost). I would also like to see more toilets (maybe those self flushing unisex toilets) in smaller parks. I would love to be able to host a birthday party/ event for my children in the park close to me (Spence Park) but this is not possible because there are no toilets there. (I'd also like to see shade shelters, picnic tables and a BBQ). (BTW, Spence Park is easily accessible (on main bus routes) and has quite a lot of usres.)" 2011-02-12 10:15:23 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Hoping for a Healthy City said "I am always pleasantly surprised by the long list of things Council does, but I always feel that they could do more to better utilise existing council assets. For instance, I would like to see the opening hours of Penrith Pool extended - particularly in the summer. I find it very frustrating on those really hot days (35+) when the pool closes at 7pm. Given that the day's temperature isn't peaking till late afternoon (sometimes 5pm) AND the UV levels aren't safe till after 5pm, the pool closing at 7pm (weekdays), 6pm (Sundays) and 5pm (public holidays) doesn't given a great deal of opportunity to enjoy it on those hot nights. Money has been spent building and maintaining the pool. What is the additional cost of opening it a bit longer, compared to the additional revenue that could be received (particularly if this was well advertised). Swimming is a great, gentle form of exercise - and so many of us are trying hard to lose weight/ get fit. Extending the opening hours of the pool and then advertising it (maybe even working hand in hand with a local weight loss centre like Tony Ferguson) might bring in extra revenue for the council. At any rate, I think that this should be investigated further. The library (which is fantastic) has long had fantastic opening hours. It's a shame we couldn't have more branch libraries. (Losing South Penrith with the redeveloped Southlands was a poor decision in my view). On another matter, how efficiently and effectively are council's services provided? How does Penrith Council compare to other similar councils in terms of the cost of service provision? What effort has been made to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of service provision (including back end servicesl ike accounting/ finance)." 2011-02-12 10:07:51 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride emuplanes said "Yes...both walking and cycling are connected to healthy lifestyles. Improving access to cycleways is about improving the health of the community and we should not forget the social benefits...... when out walking or cycling or for that matter in a park or shopping precinct, we're much more inclined to say hello and talk to other people." 2011-02-12 07:06:07 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them emuplanes said "If the plan is available it would be good to see it. Can it be added with other documents to the this forum?" 2011-02-12 06:59:52 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them emuplanes said "Parks and recreation spaces are crucially important and while the condition of our parks is generally good, it is essential they be maintained and improved to ensure children in particular have the opportunity to enjoy the outdoors and develop and appreciate healthy active lifestyles." 2011-02-12 06:58:17 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community emuplanes said "I agree that it is important for services to be maintained and the increase in rates be implemented. Unfortunately, it appears as though rates have not kept pace with the cost of delivering services and I feel it is worthwhile for me to outlay a little more to have the the services and facilities I enjoy and the type of community I want to live in." 2011-02-12 06:53:36 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Pamela said "PS - just found the rates table in the tabs on the side. It looks like my rates in werrington will only be $45 a year. I think I could easily afford that but only if council does the things it is saying it will. " 2011-02-12 06:24:33 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them Pamela said "I would like to see the buildings updated. Some of them don;t receive the maintenance they need and are starting to look old. Is there a list of the buildings to be updated and/or extra maintenance. As we pay rates for these they belong to the community so I wouldn;t like to see them falling down when my kids (and grand kids) grow up. They have done a great job a St Marys memorial hall and the space there. I have taken my kids to the arts workshops there there great! It was starting to look run down now it is great as you drive along the highway to see a new modern looking complex. It is also good for other from outside st marys to see the upgrades. My kids went to childcare in werrington and the building was upgraded that was good to see. The council does a great job with childcare. " 2011-02-12 06:20:02 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Pamela said "I think the St Marys picture is totally different. St Marys centre is really outdated and the alcohol free zone in Coachmans park should be enforced. If coachmans was upgraded as in the picture that would be great. I take my kids to the little concerts they have there and they love it and it's free my girls saw Stan Walker there last year and they still rave on about him. Not sure though that it would cost two million a year. I think something extra needs to be done to attract business and therefore employment to St Marys and Penrith so my when my kids get jobs they are local and they won't need to travel to Sydney like I used to. Like I said before i won't mind paying the bit extra in rates if i can see what I am getting for it and then council needs to make sure it happens. " 2011-02-12 06:11:48 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Pamela said "with 4 kids it would be great to have more wider paths so they can ride their bikes together safely. " 2011-02-12 06:04:42 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-too-much-rubbish-around-shopping-centres-and-railway Pamela said "I agree with hoping. Werrington station is quite bad for rubbish as well and it sometimes takes a while to be cleaned up. Although the graffiti isn't as bad as it used to be so they must be doing something right. I would like to see where the money is actually going. I don't think most people would mind paying the 60 odd dollars a year if we saw where it was being spent and then having paid it seeing some actual improvement. " 2011-02-12 06:02:27 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-aboiut-the-need-to-replace-public-toiletsamenities-in-the-city Pamela said "Public toilets are a must taking 4 kids out and having to use old smelly public toilets is a worry often times we just have go home if there is it is too bad. " 2011-02-12 05:42:08 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Pamela said "I have 4 kids and it is great to take them to the library it's free and my younger 2 really enjoy story time and the toy library. I would hate to see a charge for this or cut out altogether. I would also really not like to see maintenance on the parks and playing fields reduced there is a lot of rubbish around our local park and sometimes it takes a while to clean up. " 2011-02-12 05:39:21 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Pamela said "It would be good to see the plan to upgrade the parks. It looks like the $1.3m is to maintain 48 existing services which includes parks at current levels and the extra 600,000 is to upgrade the parks, sporting fields etc. I have 4 kids so anything done to improve the parks and the sports fields they play at would be great. I read in the document they maintain 1240 hectares of open space - that's a lot. The play equipment needs replacing at our local park so I hope that's on the list when they supply it. " 2011-02-12 05:34:18 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-too-much-rubbish-around-shopping-centres-and-railway Hoping for a Healthy City said "More money is definitely needed to maintain the bus interchange at Penrith railway station, and the bus seats further down on Station St, as quite often there are slats missing from the seats and the level plastic panels in the 'shelters' at the railway station are missing. However, I would suggest that this is not the sole responsibility of the council - the bus companies, rail service provider (City Rail/ Rail Corp/ State Rail whatever the current name is), and Westfield should also be asked to contribute as they all benefit from a well maintained Penrith Bus/ Rail interchange. I would like to see costings for what is proposed and over what timeframe. We are being asked to support a rate increase in exchange for enhanced service levels, but what is the requested $360,000 going to get us? As for bus shelters (I;m assuming that these are part of the Neighbourhood Renewal Program), I was extremely disappointed in the response I received from council to a request for bus shelters on Derby St, Kingswood outside Nepean hospital (both north and south sides of Derby St). (The response was that nothing will be done in the short term). These have to be one of the high priority bus stops requiring shelters. These bus stops are on a relatively new bus route (774, 775 & 776 which started in 2010?) but as these are the main bus stops for Nepean Hospital, not to mention the surrounding medical precinct, it is vital that there is a shelter with seating - possibly more seating than most. Bus passengers to this bus stop are more likely than most to require seating (ie people using this stop are more likely to be in poorer health and needing to sit down). It is an indictment on council and the bus company that seating and shelter have not yet been provided at these stops. So just what is the proposed rate increase going to fund? Can we please have a schedule of works (with a timetable as to what year the works are proposed)? This will give residents a better idea if what is being asked for (ie rate increase) is worth supporting." 2011-02-11 16:44:50 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Hoping for a Healthy City said "Parks, open spaces and sporting fields are very important to the health and well being of all residents - not just children. This is definitely something that Penrith Council should be spending money on. But the money needs to be spent wisely, where it is needed most and not just where people are lobbying loudest for facilities. I would like to know more about what is actually being proposed - beyond a 1 page glossy document. We are being asked to support a rate increase so that there is $1.3m to maintain existing facilities with only $600,000 of the revenue from the rate increase going towards to additional facilities. I would have expected this to be the other way round, with far more money being needed for new facilities than on maintaining existing ones. Does Penrith Council have a plan for what is happening with its parks? Throught the Penrith LGA, particularly in the older areas, there are some very small parks in inconvenient locations that could conceivably be sold off with those funds being used to enlarge and improve parks in more central/ convenient locations. Has this been considered as part of the planned works for the next 4-5 years? Is there a strategic plan for parks, playgrounds and sporting fields? What upgrades/ new works are being planned in what parks/ sporting fields in the next 5 years? Is there a plan? A timetable? And if residents are being asked to support a rate increase to see fund this, can we please see the plan. It should be posted on this website. I think that's only fair." 2011-02-11 16:28:49 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Hoping for a Healthy City said "I would like to see a bit more information about what is being proposed. From the pictures I couldn't see any significant differences to what is currently there - I would hate to see $2 million a year spent on something that is not yet needed. As a local who is often in the Penrith upgrading the city centre is not something that springs to my mind as the highest need for council works. I would rate the need for more and better footpaths and cycleways - which we don't have enough of - as a greater priority than redoing something that's not really necessary)." 2011-02-11 15:49:23 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-i-want-to-be-known-as-a-city-of-excellence-in-administration-layout-employment-and-facilities Brian said "Needs total revamp and update. " 2011-02-11 12:59:41 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-cyclists-on-roadshave-nowhere-to-ride Brian said "Agree it is unsafe to ride on the roads" 2011-02-11 12:59:13 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/you-said-too-much-rubbish-around-shopping-centres-and-railway Brian said "Needs significant improvement if we are to attract business and economic development to Penrith. People should be proud of the City" 2011-02-11 12:58:41 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-aboiut-the-need-to-replace-public-toiletsamenities-in-the-city Brian said "Absolutely agree with the ocmment- all public toilets should be replaced and cleaned on a regualr basis. " 2011-02-11 12:57:38 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-our-buildings-and-need-to-renew-them Brian said "Some of theb uildigns are old and need maintenance. I would support my rates being spent on them" 2011-02-11 12:56:47 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-is-opinion-about-the-condition-of-parks-and-the-need-to-renew-them Brian said "Parks are an important part of living in Penrith providing opporuinities for activities. There should be more money spent on shades and play equipment." 2011-02-11 12:55:52 +1100 http://ourfuture.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-existing-level-of-services-delivered-to-the-community Brian said "Support the existing levels of services in particular the Library service which is a great community service " 2011-02-11 12:54:15 +1100